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>> during this week's "question time," david cameron called the murder of three israeli teens and appalling and inexcusable act of terror. he also answered questions on the british economy. u.k. membership in the european union, and hospital waiting times. this is about 35 minutes. further. >> order. questions to the prime minister. >> number one, mr. speaker. >> thank you, mr. speaker. this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others, and in addition to my duties in this house, i shall have further such meetings later today. and. >> welcome economic growth, investments in new commercial project. does my friend agree a key part -- not only achieving in the
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southwest, for the housing, business growth and rail for infrastructure plant and will he do all they can to hasten the completeness of this? >> well, having visited my honorable friend's constituency recently i now passionately she feels about this important to build the. i know she will be delighted that the judge in question has to dismiss the judicial review so we can now hope that this paves the way for the supermarket and the stadium to be built and i hope they will press ahead with it. not only will this mean a new home for bristol rovers but more jobs, more growth and better infrastructure. >> ed miliband. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it's for your since the prime minister announced his top down nhs reorganization. since then can he tell us with a number of people having to wait more than they guaranteed two months for cancer treatment has got better or worse?
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>> the number of people treated for cancer i has gone up by 15% and we are meeting the key waiting time targets, particularly the waiting time target for actual emergency which we met for april even though once again he predicted a crisis. >> mr. speaker, that was a very specific question i asked about cancer treatment. i asked whether things got better or worse. the prime minister said things would get better. cancer support -- more lives are being put at risk. cancer research uk said and i quote this isn't just a missed target. some patients are being felt they missed the target for the first time ever on access to cancer treatment. easy really telling two of the most respected cancer charities they are wrong about the target and things we getting better, not worst? >> we introduced for the first time ever a cancer drugs fund which is intriguing 15,000 people.
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that is what is happening. the number of people being treated for cancer is up 15% and this is all in stark contrast with wales where labour are in charge -- they all shake their heads but the fact is labour is in charge of the nhs in wales and they haven't met a cancer target of their since 2009. >> actually his wrong about that. in wales, more patients sought cancer treatment within 62 days than in england. and we know why he wants to talk about wales because he cannot defend his record in england. and wasn't it interesting that on the cancer treatment target he couldn't pretend things were getting better but he couldn't admit things are getting worse. in the four years since his reorganization, have the number of people -- got better or worse? >> we have met our waiting time
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target for actual emergencies. let me tell him exactly how long people are waiting. the average waiting time when the shadow secretar secretary oe with secretary of state, the average waiting time was 77 minutes or under this government it is 30 minutes. that is what's happening under this government. but let me come let me admit to a mistake, mr. speaker. let me admit to a mistake. i just said that labour have a met a cancer treatment target in wales since 2009. i'm afraid i was wrong. they haven't met a cancer treatment in wales since 2008. and, of course, in wales and there is no cancer drugs fund. there's been an 8% cut to the budget. people are dying on waiting lists, and labour are responsible. he asks me to defend my record over the last four years, i will. there are 7000 more doctors. [shouting] there are 4000 more nurses. [shouting]
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there's over 1000 more midwives shot back we are treating over 1 million more patients a year, and were as the nhs under labour has a disgrace of made step commute can now see the nhs being properly invested in improperly improving. [shouting] >> i'll tell him about our record on the nhs. the shortest waiting times ever. [shouting] more doctors and nurses than ever before. [shouting] and the highest satisfaction ever. that's at labour's record on the nhs. it was a long time ago but he didn't answer the question but he didn't answer the question. it's a target that he set in a and b. litigators -- let me give them the figures big for his reorganization, the number of people's weight more than four hours was 353,000, and after his reorganization it has risen to 939,000. that's an increase of 300%.
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is that better or worse a? >> average waiting time is down by more than half. that is better. he doesn't have to listen to me. he can listen to the shadow health secretary who said this. he said this is the best health service in the world. that's what he said. he was quoting, he was quoting the commonwealth report which is an independent organization which ranked the united kingdom for the first time under this government as having the best health service anywhere in the world. better than america, better than germany, better than france, better than australia. he says it was his record, this would only happen under this government. [shouting] >> and i can tell him, i can tell them why it's happen under this government. mixed sex wards virtually abolished. a cancer drug on for the first time ever. more doctors, more nurses, more
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people being treated and it's official, the best nhs in the world. >> into this party that created the nhs and every time we have -- [inaudible] and once again he didn't answer the question. more people are waiting more than four hours in a&e. what about those people who are so serious they need a bed in hospital? can he tell us since his reorganization, has the number of people waiting more than four hours on trolleys something he said he would get rid of that better or worst? >> the number of people waiting to get into a&e, people waiting less time than they waiting under the last labour government. we remember what the last labour government gave us. they gave us the disgrace of -- for which they have never properly apologized. what they said about our plan, we have put wellpoint 7 billion pounds extra into the nhs. interview was it was
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irresponsible. they oppose reform to the nhs and you can see the effect in wales. no reform, no money, longer waiting list, no targets met. people dying on waiting lists under a labour government. >> he can't answer the basic question by his own target in the nhs. i can tell him the number of people waiting on trolleys for more than four hours has gone up from 61,000, to 157,000 on his watch. mr. speaker, he promised the reorganization in the nhs would make things better. it made things worse. worse on access to cancer treatment or worse on a&e wait, worse on gp access. the nhs is getting worse on his watch and there's only one person to blame and it seem a. >> honestly if they can't do better than that, even on the nhs, he really is in trouble. what's happening under this government millions more patients treated, cancer drugs
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fund for the first time ever. our health service rank officially the best in the world, and we know what he would do because we've heard from the director of policy who said this. it will be no interesting ideas will emerge from labour's policy review. that is official. his gurus come out and said he has no vision. yesterday he misquote statistics, it's been completely wrong and the factory he speaks in, the factory he speaks in, the managing director says that labour's policy would be a bureaucratic nightmare. i would say to the people looking glum behind it, cheer up, folks. it's only wednesday. [cheers and applause] >> good to be back, mr. speaker. a 40 year old mother was murdered -- in rotting tail on
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the 17th of march. the introduction of claire's law, or the right to know, to find out if your partner has a history of violence in this case, surely did note of his history of violence, must be faster by support by both the police and the probation service to those in this situation know the potential dangers they face so we will not see another tragedy like the death of sharon lee. >> can i say it is good is an honorable friend i can displace and make an important point which is introduction of claire's law. i think has made a real difference because it gives people the right to the information about potential dangers from a partner and i'm proud of the fact that it's now been rolled out across the country. he's right, we did to do more
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with the police and the probation service and the prison service to make sure more warnings are given in more cas cases. >> the prime minister will be a where of housing crisis in london. but is he aware of his colleagues -- jus this think of contribution? to his 110 million family pound family firm, he has brought up new -- [inaudible] >> order. the question will be heard. what people think of it is neither here nor there. this is supposed to be a bastion of free speech and the honorable lady will be heard, however long it takes. >> families are facing eviction being put on the street. on the activities of the members -- the prime minister's idea of compassionate conservatism? >> what i say is we all know we
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need to see more houses being built and we've seen 41,000 affordable stars over the last year, over one-fifth in london. we need more housebuilding, more houses providing and, therefore, we'll see more affordable rent both in the social sector and in the private sector as well. >> one in three of our nuclear test veterans descendents have been born with a serious medical condition. given our cross party campaign recognition not compensation, including a government payment to a general fund to help those in need, will the prime minister now clear the logjam, recognize that veterans and unresolved this shameful chapter in our nuclear history? >> first of all let me pay tribute to my friend. his campaign consistently on this issue in the house and outside it. he and i have discussed it and i'm happy to tell the house that this government absolutely recognizes and it's extremely grateful to all the service
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personnel who participated in the nuclear testing program. we should be no doubt their selfless contribution help to make sure the uk is equipped with a deterrent that we need. following our meeting of house but officials to look at the specific points he has made and i'll come back to him as soon as possible. >> mr. speaker, last saturday i spoke with my 93 year-old constituent who serve as a merchant seamen throughout the second world war. he said to me he never thought he would live to see the day in this country when people in work would still not have enough money to live on. what does the prime minister say? is it simply this authority government make the rich richer and everyone else for? or the just the inevitable consequence of his long-term economic -- >> obviously the first thing i would say is i'm proud to lead a government that is in the basic state pension increase by 15,000 under this government helping his constituents are in terms of how we help people in work, we
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need to great more jobs and we've seen 2 million new private-sector jobs under this government and the second thing we need to do is cut people's taxes and under this government you can now burn over 10,000 pounds before you pay any income tax. that is at the heart of our long-term economic plan and it is working for britain. >> thank you, mr. speaker. as the world has seen the tragic and brutal murders of three israeli youngsters most probably by hamas. will my honorable friend to the israeli government every support at this time and does he not agree with me that far from showing constraint we will do everything possible to take out hamas terrorist network and will he give the israeli government support of this? >> what i would say to my honorable friend who i know is passionate about these issues, and to a vote i in the south, ts was an appalling and inexcusable act of terror.
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one can only imagine the effects of the family and friends of these for teenagers and what happened to them. i think it's important that britain will stand with israel as it seeks to bring to justice those who are responsible. we also welcome the fact that president abbas has firmly condemned the abduction and try to help find these people. it is important as my friend said also today operations are conducted with care so for the escalation is avoided. the people responsible for this should be found and brought to justice. >> mr. speaker, in 2011 the prime minister said waiting lists really matter. so why then are the nearly 3 million on ever lengthening waiting list, the highest in six years? what does the prime minister have to say to catherine singler, a constituent of mine, 33 weeks she's been waiting in vain for a hip operation? doesn't she really matter? >> what i would say to the honorable gentleman is he needs to look at the figures and the figures show that the numbers waiting longer than 18 weeks, 26
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weeks and 50 weeks, 52 weeks to start treatment -- the shadow chancellor's are getting worse. they are lower today than they ever were when he was sitting in government. lower than at any time. look, we have the record yesterday of the leader of the opposition using dodgy statistics. yesterday, yesterday he claimed, yesterday claimed that three quarters of the jobs in our country were created in london. that is totally wrong. how we heard an apology? how we heard a correction? does he want to correct the record? he will do anything to talk on the british economy. >> the prime minister is aware of the issue -- long-standing campaign for series investment -- [inaudible]
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will be my mr. visit my constituency with his checkbook and a veritable announcement? >> i tend to visit a lot of time between now and the next election, and i will be bringing i with all sorts of good news for the people. >> thank you, mr. speaker. germany has three times as many apprentices as the uk. the number of young apprentices has fallen to youth unemployment, long-term unemployment is twice the national average and we're only going to track secure and better paid jobs it would make education and skills our number one priority. will be prime minister make a start by ensuring every public sector provides apprenticeship places of? >> i have to say to the honorable gentleman if you looks
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at the figures for dudley north he will find the claimant count is down by 20% in the last year. people find the you've claimant count is down by 21% in the last year. the long-term you've claimant count is down a 28% in the last year. the fact is in the west midlands things are getting better, more people in work, more jobs being created. he should be celebrating a dudley rather than running it down. >> and prime minister will be a winner of the tragic death of my three year-old constituent sam morris concept is while under nhs care. he was failed by his gps, services, the hospital, primary care and the ombuds been. this must not happen again. will be prime minister a sure that the ombuds bound recordation are implemented in full and that the system of review within the nhs and but ombuds bound are radically overhauled to deliver proper
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transparency and accountability in a timely way? this family waited two years for justice. >> i -- the honorable lady is right to raise this tragic case but all of our dots should be with sam's parents who i know that a meeting with the second two. it is sagging and she said to see the whole secession of health service still does them anyone who's lost a child and lost a child that young knows how harrowing and a dreadful this experience is. she's a right, we must learn the lessons from this case, make sure they're acted on the make sure they can't happen again. and just as last week we launched a major safety campaign to prevent these sort of sad and tragic death. [inaudible] can the prime minister tell us whether --
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[inaudible] >> what if it will be discussed is the fact the labour party just have to get one trade union to write one check for 14 million pounds. and when you look at the candidates that the labour party has got, when you take out of the next the fact we've got some of blair, son of star, son of prescott, son of grow become when you take out that come you will take out 80% of the candidates our union sponsored. they bought the candidates, bought the leader. we must never let them near the country. [shouting] >> thank you, mr. speaker. the number of -- has fallen from 4500 in march 2012 to 2006 and 45 now your thanks to a joint project. would be prime minister congratulate those responsible or that success and have more
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mps get involved? recognizing their great value is constituted correctly and targeted wisely. >> i think my honorable friend is right, and this is something where there's interest right across this house because all parties are not committed to making the local enterprise partnerships work, not to go back to the old regions the government agencies. i think it's important local enterprise partnerships are business lead. it is important they are strong in every part of the country and members of parliament i think and play a real role in encouraging comment businessmen and women to get involved and make sure they deliver for local areas. >> can i take the premise are back to the question of the private rent sector in britain. across london there are thousands and thousands of families, people on benefits who are frightened of the rent increases, frightened of the short term, and friend of the consequences for themselves and
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their children being evicted are forced to move out of the air which they live. if social cleansing is happening and it's coming to the rest of the country. can he give me an assurance that in addition to any regulation of the agencies there will be serious consideration about the need to bring back rent control in this country to protect people to ensure that somewhere secure and decent deliver a? >> whether i would agree with the honorable gentleman is i think there is a need for greater transparency for the work of leading agencies in terms of these but i think there is a need for longer-term, which we put forward options for longer-term but in the end we must allow the customer to choose what they want. where i part company with is the idea of introducing full on rent control but every time they have been tried, wherever they been tried in the world they failed and that's not just my view. that is also the view of labour's own shadow housing ministers on the record saying that she doesn't think rent controls would work in actress
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so perhaps he might want to have a word with her before coming on to me. >> him in the 83 general election, a 13 year old boy delivered leaflets around my constituency touching that michael foot would take labour out of the european union. does my right honorable friend find it strange that same boy, now leader of the labour party, isn't willing either support the renegotiating of britain's firms to britain ship -- or to pledge to support to trash the people of britain on a referendum on our membership? >> i've always thought it terribly unfair to hold against people things they might have done in their youth. you know, i really -- [laughter]
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as a 14 year old if those whose idea of fun, then obviously, you know, we have to make room, you know, we have to make room for everybody. [laughter] the point is this. it's in the interest -- is the interest of the british people to have a renegotiation -- it is not hanging out with the shadow chancellor. [shouting] and so i feel sorry for the leader of the opposition because he has to hang out with him all of the time. what a miserable existence it must be to have him sitting next to the person directed the british economy and have to listen to them day after day, day after day as they say to the british people, we are the people who crashed the car. give us the keys back. >> mr. speaker, the uncertainties run the future of scotland and, indeed, the uk has resulted in many of the
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community in scotland withholding investments in the country. does the prime minister agree there is a model responsible on employers to inform their employees what the consequences if any of separation of scotland from the uk -- [inaudible] prior to the reverend? >> i think he makes a very important point which is a huge amount of pressure is put on businesses by the scottish government with all sorts of threats and warnings if they speak out and say what they believe is the truth. i come across business leader after business leader, large and small in scotland that want to keep our united kingdom together think it would be crazy to have border controls, different currencies split up after successful united kingdom. so with him i would urge them to speak of, talk with their workforces, talk about the strength of our united kingdom and then vote to keep it together. >> thank you, mr. speaker. this weekend the cities, towns and villages will be a live with
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cries of -- the world's greatest annual sporting event passes through our county. will the prime minister join in the enthusiast them for people of the race taking place this weekend and agree and a wonderful way to fill the legacy of cycling and encourage more people to get on their bike? >> i outsold you agreed with my honorable friend. i think it is brilliant the tour de france is starting in yorkshire to a single be a fantastic event for our country but it's also going to be a great advertisement for yorkshire and all that yorkshiryorkshir e has to offer. i'm looking for to going myself and seen some of the race and some of the preparations but i think will be a magnificent event and i will do everything to promote it apart from wearing lycra. >> thank you, mr. speaker. will the prime minister make it illegal for recruitment agencies to advertise overseas for jobs in this country unless they
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advertise locally? yes or no? >> the short answer to that is yes, that's exactly what we're doing. the employment agencies cannot be able to do that. they cannot merely advertise jobs abroad and we're doing every thing we can to stop that. >> we have a 12 billion tourism deficit in this country. the deficit between people who go overseas and people who come here. one of the reasons or that is believed to be a high vat rate on accommodation and on attractions. will be prime minister look at that to ensure that that is not what is driving up that deficit? >> i think my honorable friend is right to promote the southwest as a holiday destination. we should do whatever we can do. the restoration of the transport link has been vital. i think it is difficult to of differential rates of vat on some of these things but everything we can do to promote the uk as a holiday destination
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including the brilliant fact that the tour de france is coming this weekend, we should do. >> cancer research uk has just launched a new strategy which is focus on -- [inaudible] >> i do think the cancer drugs fund has been a huge breakthrough not just in terms of making available drugs but also making available some important treatment of the other parts of the united kingdom will take up what we're doing with the cancer drugs than. i think the other thing we can do is through genomics uk to make sure we're sentencing genomes as fast as we can so that we can carry out the research necessary to see which cancer drugs will be effective on which patients according to their dna. this will be the model way to do
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tailored medicine and the pleased to say britain is well ahead of the pack in terms of making sure we invest their universities and science-based as well as our nhs. two young constituents of mine own property. does the prime minister agreed they now enjoy their own home and made a start on housing demonstrated his government's support for those who want to work hard and get on with what? >> i join in congratulating, in congratulating his constituents but to see it is working to get people of housing ladder because it's enabling people who don't have rich parents who can't afford a big deposit but you can afford a mortgage to go out and buy the flat or the house that they would. we have seen 30,000 people already taking advantage of this and it's also helped to kickstart investment in housing
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and to get the level of housing starts up in our country. >> is the prime minister aware that under question of the national health service and as an outpatient which i happened to visit on a regular basis, and do your from the front line about the problems in the health service, the nurses have lost quite a considerable amount into real pay. the a&e are bursting at the seams. then there's the question of almost every hospital in britain that is running into financial difficulty. as a member of the club, is he proud to be surrounded by this wreckage? remember, it's his legacy, not ours.
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stop blaming the union. get it done or get out. [shouting] >> i just think the picture that the audible chip and paints is completely wrong. of course, there are more people going to a&e to over a million more people going to a&e intercountry but we are meeting our target and waiting times are down by half. he talks about nurses. there are 4000 more nurses in our nhs than when i first stood at this dispatch box. there are 7000 were doctors and what he ought to know about is that actually we've got the number of administrative staff, the bureaucrats were left with by the party opposite 19,000 fewer of those. that's what we're able to treat more patients with more clinical staff, a record that we can all be proud of. >> thank you. our long-term economic plan -- [shouting] 200 million pounds has been allocated for fighting --
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3.3 million in north hampshire. much of that in my constituency. doesn't this infrastructure investment means that it's only conservative that have a plan that puts britain on the road to recovery whereas the labour party would try this countries economy off a cliff? >> i think my honorable friend is fully justified and taking a lot of credit for the work that is been done on potholes. partly because of that big a 3.3 million pounds specifically to spend on repairing roads and he will be pleased to note that is enough to fill than a staggering 62000 potholes. this is important because it damages peoples cars, motorbikes and cycles on the way to work. minting bottles is good for hard-working families. >> drama. a 73 year-old army veteran in my
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constituency -- he hasn't been seen since june 19. his family is frantic with worry. will be prime minister assured they continue the excellent work and cooperate with the greek government to make sure that he has found a? >> i will do everything i can tell the honorable gentleman with his constituents and have discussions with the foreign office about all the assistance that is being given anything else they can do. >> order. point of order. mr. ramsay burnham. >> the prime minister appears to suggest that the number of people who waited longer than 18 weeks in operation have gone down since his real position. i have the figures are. april 2010, 20,662 waited longer than 18 weeks. april 2014, 29,470, the number has gone up.
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before the prime minister leaves the chamber, don't you think he might correct the record, mr. speaker? >> i will tell the house the numbers waiting longer than 18, 26 and 52 weeks to start treatment is lower than at any time under the last government. those are the facts. yesterday they were cau >> you have been watching prime minister's questions from the british house of commons. s live on c-span two at 7:00 a.m. on c-span. you can find video on of past prime minister questions and other british public affairs programs. up next, a discussion on climate change and the future of global
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banking system. after that, the conflict in syria and the influence of the militant group known as isis. >> you can keep in touch with current events using any phone anytime with c-span radio on audio now. you can hear congressional coverage, public affairs form, and today possible "washington journal." a recap of today posture events on "washington today." you can your public affairs programs on sunday at noon eastern. c-span on audio now. long distance or phone charges may apply. now, a discussion on climate change in the wake of the first hurricane of the 2014 season. from "washington journal," this is just under an hour. in the sunday roundtable
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this week we are talking about issues of extreme weather and climate change. by [applause] andoined by david kreutzer daniel weiss. do you see the hand of climate change in the most recent storm? you cannot link a particular event to climate change. but scientists have said that all future events are affected because the ocean is warming. when the ocean warms, more water evaporates. the more water that evaporates, it creates conditions for more tropical storms. we expect that in the future we will have aliens of dollars in increased damage from hurricanes and sea level rise, the combination can be very dangerous, as we saw in
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superstorm sandy. whether or not arthur is specifically linked to climate change, we can't say, but we do know that the conditions that lead to these kinds of hurricanes are increasing due to changes in the weather from increased human pollution. for more on the link, this topic of the billions of dollars of damage that might because down the road? --guest: there is not any trend in hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, or droughts, that is from the ipc see latest report the last fall, as well as national oceanic atmospheric administration data center. so, we see warming without any trends in extreme weather events. we have now still in the longest stretch on record between a
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category three or higher hurricane making landfall in the u.s. -- that let -- that record is being built every day. >> the number of extreme weather events that cause $1 billion in damage have increased by nearly four times over the last four decades. adjusted for inflation there are about 23 such events during the 1980's and so far in this decade there have been 73 and the decade is barely half over. what is happening as we have more valuable stuff in the wake of these hurricanes and natural disasters. study after study if you look at the path that they go over it was not valuable real estate in the 1930's. host: not just hurricanes --guest: not just hurricanes, it includes tornadoes, droughts,
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and floods. in the last three years we have had almost three dozen with a total price tag of $210 million. --guest: more is being damaged because there is more stuff to damage. of the protections for sea level rise, there are protections out to the year 2100 of a 39 inch sea level rise and concerns about planning and zoning purposes, where people could build on the road in the future. how far out should we be looking out for issues like sea level rise and the impact of climate change? how will that change how these developments are built? it depends on how far out you are looking. this summer is far enough out that you don't have to worry about it. three centuries out? how clairvoyant do you feel you
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can be? right now we are in a trend for about one foot of additional sealevel rise, about what we have had for the past 150 years. in the past 100 years there has been phenomenal migration worldwide. but we should make reasonable accommodations for the storms that we already have. the storms are the problem, not just simple sea level rise. go ahead, it does not make sense to build in floodplains. it does not make sense to build right up to the beach. what is reasonable and realistic when making these decisions were houses and environmental purposes? the largest u.s. naval base is in norfolk, virginia. sea level rise will be one for between now and 2050, it could be up to four feet by the end of the century.
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have over $100d billion worth of property underwater, below sea level. important is very that we understand that in action on climate change will have real costs. i agree that we should not be , we havein floodplains to make sure that our maps are up to date, reflecting the latest science. enough, after hurricane sandy in new jersey and new york, they started buying up some properties rather than letting people rebuild because they are no longer safe from storm surges. for acan you explain difference between climate change adaptation and mitigation? guest: guest: obama's plan focuses on reducing carbon and other climate pollution that exacerbates climate change. this includes power plants,
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heavy trucks, and other sources. coal burning fossil fuels, or natural gas and oil that puts carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and warms the planet. the second is what we like to think of as climate change resilience to help our communities become better prepared for future climate change. by doing things like not allowing people to build in known flood zones. in addition, the president had proposed a climate resilience funds to help communities better prepare for future events. for example, they've got a building star program which is a pilot program that creates incentives for homeowners to make their homes more storm resistant by putting special roofs more resistant to water and putting in windows that are more resistant to high winds. those techniques, that sort of effort can save four dollars in
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damages to everyone dollar in preparation. it is all these things. we just ran through a lot ohthe proposals of the obama administration. what is reasonable in your mind? requires thata every car has a sticker on the window to indicate how much gas mileage it gets and how much it costs. these proposals should have a similar sticker. how much is going to cost and how much will it mitigate? what we find is that very little, even if you believe the , theseamatic projections proposals and a broader one will do nothing to change temperatures down the road. 80% reduction by 2050 and cap that flatlined there on out, it might make 2/10
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of one degree difference by the end of the century. all of europe and japan has joined us on that, it would make3/10 of one degree. then you have to look at the cost. hundreds of thousands of jobs typically in these programs that are offered. they talked about billions of dollars of increased weather damage which is hardly going to be mitigated at all3 we are going to have hits to the economy of hundreds of billions of dollars per year. it is not a very good idea to do the mitigation. the adaptation make sense even if we are not going to have increases and the sea level or worse storms. we are hashing out this debate and we want to invite our callers to call in and give us your thoughts and questions for our panel. with theitzer is
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heritage foundation and dan weiss is here to answer your questions. we will start with andrew from massachusetts on our line for democrats. good morning. iller: good morning, understand the science behind climate change and i think it's a very important issue not just economically speaking to the business community but to the world in general. -- how is climate change going to impact agriculture and the ability to feed the peoples of the world? that's all i have to say. guest: the national climate assessment which is some of the nation's best scientists put this together and it was released back in may. you have a copy of it right there. it suggests that climate change could have very disruptive
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effects on the u.s. agricultural that wouldreas receive a certain level of precipitation would receive less in the crops therefore would face hotter temperatures. we are likely to see business as usual. it could double the number of days across the country that are 95 degrees or hotter which could have a huge impact on agriculture. already we are seeing impacts in california with the worst drought there in 500 years. that is a harbinger of things to come. host: you have written quite a bit about the national climate assessment and some of your concerns with the science that's in there. guest: right, they talk about the impact of climate events that they claim are already happening. they talk about what has not happened. you should team up with
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the history channel. the same sorts of things were predicted in the 1970's that we would run out of resources and not be able to feed the world. if we look at actual trends, we are feeding more people on fewer acres than ever before. there is no reason to believe that those trends will stop. as we have improved breeds of crops, we have improved technologies ,co2 is a potent fertilizer that a doubling of co2 which looks like we will hit by the end of the century will increase grain production alone. if you have no new technologies come it will increase by 30%. will lead to a 10 degree fahrenheit increase in the average temperature. guest: that's not true. guest: nine of the 10 hottest years in record have occurred in the century. only one occurred in the 90's. in each decade, it has been hotter than the one before.
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we are on a trend if david is correct and we put more co2 in the hemisphere to 800 parts per million, we will have at least a 10 degree increase fahrenheit temperature rise which will devastate the world water supply and ability to feed itself. guest: he is not getting the science right. it is not guaranteed 10 degrees. it does not look like it's possible to to be close to that. the most recent climate sensitivity and how co2 affects temperature predicts 2.5-three but really a likelihood of two degrees centigrade warming which would be three degrees fahrenheit. dan pointed out that the 80's were warmer than the 70's but the warm has leveled off.
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we have more food than we ever had before. guest: you are absolutely wrong. we have nine of the 10 warmest years since the year 2003. how can you say that the warming trend is slowing down? it has leveled off. guest: this is the warming trend. this is from the national climate assessment starting in the 1980's is hotter than the year before. how can you say the trend is leveling off? guest: i did not bring my chores but you can go to the noaa site. guest: that is the noaa site. guest: since 2000, it has leveled off. they have modified their estimates of how temperature is affected by co2. host: we are having this discussion in the wake of the first named hurricane of the season. here's the headline from "the
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guardian" in canada. it is talking about the hurricane moving up the coast. for the next half hour or 40 minutes, we have a line for coastal residents if you want to talk about this subject. otherwise, we have lines for republicans and democrats and independentss. . let's go to steve who has been waiting in charlotte, north carolina on our line for democrats. caller: good morning, i would like to address mr. kreutzer to let you know i am my highest -- in high school biology we were given an example of natural selection with moths which is very basic. when the industrialized england in the early 19 century, the gray colored moths matched the tree trunks and when they became
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black, they died off. as you can see, the industrial pollution has changed the environment from the very beginning. is there any science you can except? guest: i accept all kinds of science britt i took lots of science in college. i have that same example for evolution. that's a great example because we don't have the soot like they had back then. rings are cleaner than they were. soot is not carbon dioxide. it's colorless and odorless and invisible. when you see pictures on tv shows, they show pictures of steam coming out of smokestacks employing that that is soot which it is not. if you want to believe in datace, look at the noaa and read the idc report from last fall -- ipc report from last fall. they are perpetrating fraud. they don't believe in science. host: from shreveport,
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louisiana, on our line for republicans. caller: good morning. who pays you guys to spread all the propaganda about climate change? there never was no climate change. i don't believe it. andve lived for 68 years nothing has changed. we have been down this road before about climate change. there is no climate change. it's nothing but a deal to control people's lives to tell them what to drive and what to eat. you are all liars. nobody cares. let our guests discuss if they work for. guest: i work for a national environmental organization working toward electing candidates who want to act on climate change and opposing those who either deny climate efforts towho oppose address this problem. the science has been settled.
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the american academy of natural sciences came out with a report earlier this year that said the certainty about climate science theas certain as science linking smoking tobacco to lung disease and heart disease. it is that settled. there may be some people who are climate change deniers. more than half of republicans in congress denied climate science. that does not make it so. unfortunately, we see signs around us including having each decade be hotter than the last, having nine of the 10 hottest years on record happening over the last dozen years, this signs point in one direction -- the national climate assessments of climate change is here and when you deal with it now. host: and the heritage foundation? in climate and energy economics at the heritage foundation. the heritage foundation is a conservative think tank in washington. for a freepolicies
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and civil society and have 600,000 members that support us around the world and in the united states. make the link that is very tenuous between the settled science which simply says that increases in co2 are likely to increase some warming. it's a greenhouse gas. all the skeptic scientists i know agree with that. the critical question, and this is the first part that does not prove this which is what dan tries to imply -- if co2 is a greenhouse gas and we are headed to catastrophic warming and further that these expensive policies that are caller was referring to will do almost nothing to mitigate this. what is driving it? there is a control aspects i disagree with the callers notion that we don't have climate change. to policies do much less affect climate than they do to affect economic activity. guest: you say that because, in fact, you propose a clean
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powerplant which reads $12 an economic benefits and reduces climate change for every one dollar we have to spend on cleaning up. dirty power plants. $12 and benefits for one dollar in cost. that's a pretty good investment ratio. at thewe have looked numbers at the heritage foundation. we have used the same code the use of the department of energy. we found that the values they are getting for the co2 abatement, how much benefit we get from that, are essentially entirely arbitrary. benefitsy bring in co- to justify every clean air act and you look at the data -- they have not released it so other people can analyze it -- there are studies they are ignoring that should dramatically lower and some cases no affect from reducing some of these pollutants which are not co2. guest: if you clean up dirty
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plants, you get rid of soot and tiny particles and get rid of acid rain and small and big pollutants of there is big health-care benefits. lessan reduce 150,000 asthma attacks on children. 6000 premature deaths every year. guest: based on the sacred signs that people talk about, not based on other studies that are coming out -- host: it's a topic that generates a lot of passion and interest and we have a lot of calls we want to get to. michael is in orleans, louisiana on our line for independents. caller: good day. just so you know, i'm not talking from a hat. -- in 1971i studied with an environmental scientist britt we knew back then that anything we might find would be contradictory or for harmful to corporations and government and
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that would be manipulated. as pertaining to mr. weiss, his predictions would probably more credible if the predictions have come true in the past. -- hugere two programs government-funded programs rertaining directly to the wbe one of them is called harp - geo-ther one is called engineering. these two programs are directly involved with weather manipulation. anytime anyme that of these so-called experts get together that we never hear anything about harp or geo-engineering which directly affects climate, weather, long-term and short-term. let's see if our guests
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want to address that topic. guest: i would note that so far early toseem to be up call us. we need some women callers. second, climate change has been the most studied scientific problem in the history of modern humankind. international panel on climate change that david refers to. there is the national climate assessment. academy the american for the advancement of scientists, the national academy of sciences and many other prestigious science institutes and they all find the same thing. scientist, alimate named richard mueller in california who is a climate science skeptic who received money from the koch brothers foundation and it some analysis of temperature data and concluded " that global warming was real and the estimates were correct." he concluded humans are almost entirely because.
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this is a professor who was a former climate science skeptic. all the sciences, not economists, all the scientists and all the signs point in one direction. just like we know that smoking causes lung disease and heart disease, we know that burning fossil fuels and releasing other climate pollutants like methane worm up the atmosphere causing climate change responsible for temperature rise and for a link to extreme weather. guest: we've been through the extreme weather link that does not exist. we find that the scientists settled on the most innocuous and least controversial thing just simply that co2 is a greenhouse gas. step to say it is leading to catastrophic warming is very controversial. we have lots of scientists -- pat michaels at cato and president of the state climate college association -- guest:


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